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Re: Geronimo's last Springfield

Posted by Lawrence F. Nirenberg on Saturday, 7 September 2019, at 12:35 a.m., in response to Re: Geronimo's last Springfield, posted by John on Friday, 6 September 2019, at 9:25 p.m.

John; How many times do you want the photographs pointed out? Once again I'll try. #1 the famous photo of Geronimo kneeling in the studio holding a T.D. rifle with very unusual, non factory made (altered) trigger group/guard. This photo was taken at the San Carlos Apache Reservation in 1884. #2 On the same day, in the same studio, holding the same altered rifle, a photo of Chato also kneeling. Although the photo date was wrongly marked (1888). Chato was a POW in 1888, and not having his photo taken. #3 Then there is another photo of Chato standing taken at the same Randle studio, but with a different T.D.. Although it looks to be the same if you look closely you'll find that the trigger group and guard are different. In this photo the trigger guard is the normal semi-elliptical guard found on the Springfield T.D. #4 There is another photo of Geronimo also taken that day, but Geronimo is standing holding same rifle that Chato held. ( normal semi-elliptical guard ) Photos were taken at S.C.A.R. in 1884. #5 Well known published photos taken at the "surrender talks" with General Crook in March of 1886. The photo in question shows Geronimo standing with his son and two other Apache soldiers. His son is carrying a Winchester 1873 carbine. Geronimo in this photo is carrying a T.D. rifle with a full stock, but with this same type of non factory trigger group and guard as seen in 1884 studio photos. This rifle sports what looks to be a Carbine trigger group fitted to the rifle with non factory trigger guard, and not a ground down rifle guard as some have suggested. #6 Taken around the time of the surrender in September 1886. I think the day Geronimo actually surrendered, but the day before Natche turned himself in. In this photo Natche is holding what looks to be a "Shortened" rifle mounted in a Carbine stock. This firearm has a non factory trigger group/guard the same or similar to those seen in photos #1 thru #5. Standing next to Natche and holding a Winchester Model 1876 rifle is one of the "last Apache Bronco Holdouts" named Adelnitze. No firearms were turned in at the time of the initial Apache surrender to the U.S. Army. Geronimo, Chief Natche and the other Apaches surrendered that September, 1886. Adelnitze however didn't, and fought on for ten more years. He was killed at the battle of Guadalupe Canyon in 1896 by the U.S. Cavalry. It is recorded in the Army records that his firearm was recovered next to his body. The firearm, a "SHORTENED SPRINGFIELD TRAPDOOR RIFLE IN A CARBINE STOCK". The rifle went back to Fort Sill, Oklahoma where the cavalry unit was stationed. The rifle was lost in time. This is the extent of the information I've been able to recover thus far. ALL THE PHOTOS MENTIONED ARE PUBLISHED AND AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET FOR ALL TO SEE AND PONDER. When I've run out of research material I'll take closeup photos of my rifle and submit them to the Trapdoorcollector to dissect. Any additional constructive information greatly appreciated.


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