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Re: M84 Carbine SN help.
Posted by John S. on Saturday, 26 December 2015, at 11:20 p.m., in response to Re: M84 Carbine SN help., posted by Rickey Lewis on Saturday, 26 December 2015, at 10:59 p.m.
There are 22 Model 1884 trapdoor carbines listed in the SRS database in the 452,000 range, 19 of them to Troop A of the 1st Nevada (not California) Volunteer Cavalry in 1898.
SRS does not list a single rifle in the 452,000 range, but of course there are only the 22 listings out of a possible 1,000 numbers, so it is not impossible that both rifles and carbines were made in that range.
I believe your gun is most likely a genuine carbine that has had the rear sight replaced, probably due to the folding leaf being broken. To anyone except military shooters, the difference between graduations on the rifle and carbine sights are almost insignificant at normal shooting ranges of 200 yards or less, not the 1000+ yards the sights are calibrated for.
As pointed out the 1st U.S. Volunteer Cavalry was strictly a unit raised in, and mustered out in 1898 for the Spanish American War, so that is just totally incorrect.
The dates of April to September 1889 sound plausible as a manufacturing date, but there was not a high demand for arms at that time, and most made then probably went into storage as "war reserve stocks" and were not issued until 1898, as with the Nevada guns noted above.
In short, your friend may be a nice guy, but he either misremembers stuff, or just plain does not know what he is talking about. Or, he may be the victim of misinformation and fantasy history from a recently deceased dealer in Nevada.
Still, it is a gun that should be a lot of fun to shoot, even though there is about zero chance of ever finding any documented history on it.
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