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Re: Request SN check for 1873 Trapdoor Carbine

Posted by John S. on Friday, 13 February 2015, at 7:12 p.m., in response to Re: Request SN check for 1873 Trapdoor Carbine, posted by Bill U on Friday, 13 February 2015, at 5:26 p.m.

Turns out this was Gunbroker 460184035

Not to worry though, it's on the internet, so it's got to be true: "This was in a shipment sent to K or H Troop 7th Cavalry Fort Meade South Dakota. Many Cavalry and Infantry units were stationed here, including the remaining 7th U.S. Cavalry after the Battle of the Little Bighorn, This was verified by Keith Rush (thru the National Archives) from Trapdoors Galore..."

The seller shovels further bovine excrement about field modification drilling holes to add cleaning rods, and excretes this gem: "I had a long time to do all the research an[sic] the funny thing is I never met a true expert on Trapdoors that knows all the refurbishing these weapons went through during their years of service, even the records that are available donít cover this subject. No one can tell me if it was field modified or armory modified. So donít waste your time trying to tell me itís not 100% correct"

Well, seller Bubba, it IS NOT 100% Correct, specifically the hammer, which you specifically note as being correct, so the seller's credibility ended right there.

The seller has at best, the gullibility of believing claims from Trapdoors Galore, but no understanding at all of what surviving records do or do not say.

It is true that SOME carbines with NEARBY numbers were associated with various troops of the 7th U.S. Cavalry at various dates in 1881-1883 (but NOT 1878!). The 1878 date cited is the year some carbines were targeted at Springfield, and one receiver sent to the Office of the Chief of Ordnance, all more than 500 numbers from 88812.

However there is NO ENTRY for 88812, and thus there is NO documented usage or history for that gun.

I guess that the old saying "Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades" needs to be revised to add "and BS descriptions by gun sellers."

Other old advice includes "Caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware) and P.T. Barnum's observation "There's a sucker born every minute."

Final note- The seller sells his stuff "AS IS - No refund or exchange" Barnum was right.


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