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O.K. I'm still confused, HELP

Posted by Ernie Brandt on Monday, 6 October 2014, at 11:23 p.m.

Is this correct or is he using mirrors?

Description of rifle in listing: 445741413

This Rifle is an unissued and lightly fired, 1884 US Springfield "Trap door" 45-70gvt. It came from a Private Collection of a very distinguished Firearms Collector. It is cartouche stamped "1891" the year after production ended. Contact information for the owner will be given upon purchase of the rifle at the buyers request. This gun still contains all the original tools in the butt stock and has all the correct proof markings. Near perfect chamber and bore. Bluing is magnificent as is the wood for a 123yr old gun. Has been verified original The Springfield Model 1884 was one of the "Trapdoor Springfield" rifles. The Model 1884 traces its roots back to the design of the Springfield Model 1873. Most of the changes that identify the Model 1884 as a distinct model occurred either before or after 1884. The Model 1884 incorporated a significant number of improvements that had been made between 1878 and 1879. It also featured a serrated trigger that had been incorporated into the Springfield rifle design in 1883.

My question to seller:

Hello, I am confused by your statement: It is cartouche stamped "1891" the year after production ended. Production of the Trapdoor Springfield concluded in June of 1893. Please correct me or your listing. I have been collecting Trapdoors for about 10 years now and have a good knowledge of the firearm. The rifle is certainly a beauty. This model is also known as the "Rod Bayonet" or incorrectly listed as a model 88 because of the adaptation of the round rod bayonet. Further information can be found at Hope this helps. Ernie Brandt

Sellers reply:

Ernie, As documented the US military contract for this rifle ended in 1890 when this rifle was actually made a very small number of serialized guns under this contract were never shipped to the US government. This gun falls under that contract serialization. Commercially they were produced till 1893 correct. This is an unissued US military contracted rifle that was sold in 1891 as cartouched. It was sold to the owners Grandfather at West Point where the remaining contract, noncommercial guns where sold. According to thier records approximately 350 or so rifles where sold thier. This gun is stamped 1884 but I am aware of the bayonet changed.

Thank You,


US MILITARY, Winchester certified appraiser and historian.


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