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Re: Carbine SN948 on this web site

Posted by Al Frasca on Monday, 15 September 2014, at 5:06 p.m., in response to Re: Carbine SN948 on this web site, posted by Michael H. Collins on Sunday, 14 September 2014, at 11:42 p.m.

The following is additional opinion and fact related to SN948.

The following information has been gathered from Book II and Frank Mallory's books with my opinions inserted. The condition of the stock indicates extensive exposure in a dry climate. The cracking is similar to that found on other guns either found in the west or used by Indians who did not protect the wood from the arid weather. The pommel wear is not very extensive, which would indicate some Indian use. Wear on the stock seems genuine since it stops at the metal and does not appear from sanding. The ring and hook wear indicate military service. I remember talking to Frank Mallory about a number of captured arms given to Indians for relocation purposes. There is also the possibility the gun was given to scouts for them to perform duties for the Army. Guns issued to the 3rd, 6th and 10th Cavalry have serial numbers in the 1000 range. Here are some of the recorded carbines issued to the 3rd, 6th and 10th Cavalries as well as scout guns and captured guns:

3rd Cav. Carbines: 993, 1043, 1167, 1169, 1170 6th Cav. Carbines: 78, 924, 131,171, 329, 388 10th Cav . Carbines: 51, 310, 397, 736, 816, 1066, 1069 (Fort Concho), Captured Carbines: 433, 1043, 1196 Indian Scouts, Fort Bowie Ariz: 422, 1063,

The best guess I would make is that the carbine was issued and used in the west and somehow got into Indian hands and then traded or recaptured and given back to the Indians in October 1877, by Sheridan for Indian relocation. Read page 295 in Book II for the details and the indication that these guns were once used by troopers. Frank Mallory was never able to find the correspondence with the serial numbers. I believe the stock carving holds a big part of the secret to the gun's history and hopefully will be identified in the future.


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