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Re: Serial#s trapdoor carbine

Posted by Pete Nelson on Saturday, 14 July 2012, at 12:51 p.m., in response to Re: Serial#s trapdoor carbine, posted by Hector padilla on Saturday, 14 July 2012, at 11:43 a.m.

Hello (again ), Hector:

In looking through all of the entries on Pages 12 and 13 of the SRS VOLUME-3, beginning with S/N 133101 (listed as a Model 1879 Carbine, which usually indicates a Model 1873 Carbine with the improvements of 1877 and 1879, normally replacement of the barrel-mounted Rear Sight) and with a Date-of-Record of 03-14-1888 and associated with TROOP-L OF THE 7TH CAVALRY, and going all the way up to S/N 149221 [a Model 1873 Carbine with a Date-of-Record of 03-03-1880 and associated with THE 8TH CAVALRY], there os a solid group of something like 77 guns listed, and only 3 of them are RIFLES, the rest being Carbines - - Models of 1873, 1877, 1879, and 1884 - - associated with the 1st, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 10th Cavalries. So, I would feel pretty certain that S/N 142528 is probably an original Carbine, rather than a cut-down Rifle.

According to the MODEL 1877 CARBINE PRODUCTION Table (on Page 195 in Al Frasca's "THE .45-70 SPRINGFIELD, BOOK II (1965-1893) Carbine S/N 141254 was produced at the very end of 1880 and would have had the cartouche "SWP/1880" stamped on the left side of the stock, along with the "Circled-P" Firing Proof. The production date of both guns was right on the line between 1880 and 1881. According to one of the production tables I had there were (an estimated) 14,884 Carbines produced in 1880 and only 501 in 1881. The "Tabulated Final Serial Numbers" were 144965 for 1880 and 165376 for 1881, whereas the "Observed Final Serial Numbers" for those same years were 150000 and 180000. And according to my production figures there were NO NEW CARBINES manufactured in 1882, 1883, 1884, and 1885 (1882 was one of the years when the REPAIR OLD ARMS effort was going on and when the "Starred Receiver" Carbine and Rifle restoration work was being performed - - this was a different funding source than was charged for NEW arms).

I don't think it is possible to break the exact production timing much closer than that for you.

With very best regards,



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