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Re: Trapdoor carbine boot

Posted by Pete Nelson on Sunday, 3 April 2011, at 7:21 p.m., in response to Re: Trapdoor carbine boot, posted by Ron Ketcham on Sunday, 3 April 2011, at 3:43 p.m.

Good afternoon Ron,

You're very welcome indeed, and thanks for the update. After reponding to your last posting (about the Carbine Sockets) I did go back and check my Sockate and also Boots. I have two of the Model 1887 Boots with the brass throat-reinforcement strip and the buckled belt strip part way up the Boot, one of which is unmarked and the other stamped "ROCK ISLAND ARSENAL" with an inspector's initials (hardly legible). The third boot is the Model (and I can never keep them straight) which has the strap right at the bottom of the Boot (I believe that is either the Model 1884 or 1885) and is dyed black. It is very clearly stamped "ROCK ISLAND ARSENAL" and has the initials "E.H.S."

The Carbine Sockets I have are, I believe, all Models of 1859 and are pretty much a mixed bag as follows (in some cases I have two of each - - for some reason?):


b) "C. PETERS".


d) [NO MANUFACTURER'S NAME but stamped "J.L.B."].

e) [NO MANUFACTURER'S NAME but stamped "U.S." on the very tip of the belt strap

(supposedly a rather rare variant ?)

f) This one is the (allegedly very rare) Model 1879 "HARTMAN SPLIT-SPRING" design, the purpose of which was to allow the release the barrel of the Carbine from the Socket should the Trooper's horse falter and start to fall, minimizing the chance of the barrel injuring the Trooper (sounds like rather wishful thinking...). It is my understanding (from good friend Ken McPheeters of McPHEETERS ANTIQUE MILITARIA in San Antonio) that there was only a handful of this design (attributed to Sgt. Henry Hartman of the 1st Cavalry Regiment) made and submitted to the Equipment Board of 1878 for trial use. There is no manufacturer identification nor inspector stamps to be found anywhere on the piece.

Thanks for your very interesting question.

With very best regards,



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