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Re: Pre-1873 Carbines

Posted by Dušan P. Farrington on Sunday, 20 March 2011, at 3:25 p.m., in response to Re: Pre-1873 Carbines, posted by ken on Saturday, 19 March 2011, at 9:02 p.m.

Hi Ken, From the abstracts of the Summary Statements of the Quarterly Returns of Ordnance and Ordnance Stores in the hands of Troops that I have for the period you are interested in I find the following for Troop F 3rd Cavalry: Second Quarter 1866: Station, Fort Union, N.M. Arms: 77 Sharps Cal. .52 carbines, 84 Remington .44 revolvers, 69 Light Cavalry sabres. Second Quarter 1867: Station, Cimarron, N.M. Arms: 54 Sharps Cal. .52, 4 Spencer cal. 50 carbines, 75 Remington .44 revolvers, 60 Light Cavalry sabres. Fourth Quarter 1870: Station not reported Arms: 66 Sharps cal. 50 carbines, 67 Remington .44 revolvers, 64 Light Cavalry Sabres. Fourth Quarter 1872: Station, Fort McPherson, Nebraska Arms: 56 Sharps cal. 50 carbines, 67 Remington .44 revolvers, 75 Light Cavalry Sabres. They also had 7 each of the Springfield 1870, Remington M1870, Sharps M1870, and Ward Burton M1870 .50 calibre trials carbines. Third Quarter 1874: Station, Fort McPherson, Nebraska Arms : 82 Springfield cal .45 carbines, 82 Colt cal. .45 revolvers.

For Troop K 1st Cavalry: Second Quarter 1866: Station, Camp McDowell, N.M. Arms: 78 Sharps Cal. .52 carbines, 63 Colt .44 revolvers, 14 Remington .44 revolvers, 14 Cavalry sabres (M1840), 43 Light Cavalry sabres. Second Quarter 1867: Station, Tubac, N.M. Arms: 59 Sharps Cal. .52 carbines, 74 Remington .44 revolvers, 12 Cavalry sabres (M1840), 70 Light Cavalry sabres. Fourth Quarter 1870: Station, not reported. Arms: 140 Spencer Cal. .50 carbines, 71 Colt .44 revolvers, 29 Remington .44 revolvers, 10 Cavalry sabres (M1840), 90 Light Cavalry sabres. Fourth Quarter 1871: Station, Camp Halleck Nev. Arms: 81 Sharps Cal. .50 carbines, 16 Colt .44 revolvers, 73 Light Cavalry sabres. Fourth Quarter 1872: Station, Camp Halleck Nev. Arms: 67 Sharps Cal. .50 carbines, 15 Colt .44 revolvers, 83 .50 cal Remington Rolling Block pistols, 68 Light Cavalry sabres. They kept the Remington pistols until at least First Quarter 1874 when the reported 34 in hand at Camp Harney Oregon . Third Quarter 1874: First Cavalry received 599 Colt .45 Revolvers and 566 Springfield .45 carbines.

Issues of Colt 1873 .45 revolvers and Springfield .45 carbines in 1874:

Second Cavalry: 1st. Quarter: 168 Colt .45 revolvers, 168 Springfield .45 carbines, 2nd. Quarter: 736 Colts, 741 carbines, 3rd. Quarter: 80 carbines only. Total 1874 issues: 904 Colts, 989 carbines. They were fourth in line to be completely armed. Third Cavalry: 3rd. Quarter: 976 Colts, 976 carbines. Total 1874 issues: 976 Colts, 976 carbines. They were sixth to be rearmed. Seventh Cavalry: 2nd. Quarter: 755 Colts, 249 carbines, 3rd. Quarter: 131 Colts, 502 carbines. Total 1874 issues: 886 Colts, 751 carbines. (A further issue of carbines was made in 2nd. Quarter 1875). They were fifth to be rearmed at the time of rearming most companies carried the Sharps .50 carbine. So the regiment was about completely armed with the new revolvers and carbines by Fourth quarter 1874, they certainly were by Second Quarter 1875.

You will naturally ask where are the figures for any missing years? I'm afraid that is the answer: they are missing. Either they were not made or not kept. They are not in the holdings of Record Group 156 in National Archives. I hope the above will be of some help. You have chosen a very interesting period to study but research in it can be frustrating!

Good luck with your project, Dušan


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