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Re: trial rifles
Posted by Al Frasca on Friday, 29 October 2010, at 1:04 p.m., in response to Re: trial rifles, posted by Dick Hosmer on Friday, 29 October 2010, at 11:16 a.m.
I had a Type I and Type II set at the Baltimore show two years ago. There did not seem to be that much interest in the pair. The Type I was a hunting rifle of a Michigan resident.
The matched sets of numbers are deep and small, not like the M68 stampings. These are normally found on Type II rifles, page 103 in Book II shows the stamping for the gun having 38/38. The rifle has a M68 breech block dated 1870 and the sight moved forward. Also, it has the boxed "L" and ski sloped stock.
The M70s Type II with ONLY a serial number on the barrel, range as high as 2300 (?). why it was started with the Type II rifles is anybody's guess. Likewise, why it was stopped is also another mystery.
All the M70 rifle have the M70 rear sight with the "fine" sighting. (The depth of the sighting "V" was reduced by taking the M68 slider and using an end mill to cut away the top of the "V". )
Matching numbers at the interface of the receiver and barrel on the underside are indicators the barrel and receiver have been apart. (All officcer's models have this since the barrel was removed when the receiver was engraved) Remember, Springfield was paranoid about having the original barrel back in the original receiver, since the final chambering was not done until the two were together. That is another reason why Springfield never shipped just barrels or receivers to posts. Barrel repairs required the gun or the barreled action be returned to Springfield.
The underside stamping is light and can be found with a font like that of the M68 or if Bannerman did it, a cruder font and deeper stamp is found. Some Bannerman's use Roman Numerals or slash marks in the metal.
You will find a lot more Bannerman specials with M70 parts than actual M70s. Once you decide it is a Bannerman, then do not spend too much time trying to justifly strange variations such as two sets of holes for the sight. Springfield would have not put out such a gun, but Bannerman and others bought what they could out of the scrap pile of Springfield experimental parts and condemned parts.
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