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Re: Cadet S/N

Posted by Pete Nelson on Sunday, 21 March 2010, at 3:29 p.m., in response to Re: Cadet S/N, posted by Dick Hosmer on Sunday, 21 March 2010, at 1:40 a.m.


Thanks for calling my attention to that one statement I had made which could have (and perhaps was) interpreted as saying that the highest S/N I had come across was "...right at the end of production in 1893...", or words to that effect. SKIP, what appears in the (4) SRS Volumes are scattered little "clumps" of serial numbers, many of them disconnected and not in consecutive "strings", to the extent that one really cannot make any assumptions about where they may or may not fall relative to any particular point in production history. Frank (Franklin B. Mallory) did a masterful job in chasing down and meticulously verifying individual serial numbers, and sometimes groups of numbers, and made it an unwavering requirement that no unverified serial number data would ever appear in the SRS archives. In this particular case, as Dick pointed out, if it can be accepted that somewhat (slightly) less than 568000 is probably very close to being the very end point, than the 567XXX number I came up with is most likely "in the ball park". But there is, unfortunately, no single production record document maintained by the Springfield Armory which lists each and every serially-numbered weapon (at least in the 1865-1893 timeframe of the "TRAPDOOR Era") which was produced). And added to that is the further complication that none of the following arms made at the Springfield Armory were serialized (as far as we know):

a) The 5,005 Model 1865 "1st Allin Alteration" Rifles (and however many of the elusive "M1865 Short Rifles" were actually produced).

b) The 52,300 Model 1866 "2nd Allin Alteration" Rifles and 1,146 "Short Rifles" (alterations).

c) The (424) Cadet Model 1866 (with "1867"-stamped Lock Plates).


d) The (362 ?) Model 1870 Carbines and 11,531 Model 1870 Rifles.

And then stir in the fact that there were (3) individual groups of "TRAPDOOR" arms (besides the "Mainstream" series guns such as the Model 1873 and 1884 Carbines, Cadet Rifles, and full-size Service Rifles) [1 - 569000] which used THEIR OWN SEPARATE AND DISTINCT serial numbering sequences:

1. The Model 1868 Rifles (and 3 or 4 companion Carbines) [1 - 52145]. 2. The Model 1869, Type I, Cadet Rifles [3401 + another 20 known as Type-II]. and 3. The Model 1881 "FORAGER" 20-Gauge shotguns [1 - 1378].

And so the task of trying to comprehend the logic of the Springfield serialization schemes and, in some cases, the lack thereof, can drive one right up the wall. And fortunately, the Springfield Armory - - unlike the German arms industry (at least during WWII) - - was content with numbering only the Receiver, and not Firing Pins, Hammers, Triggers, Butt Plates, Sights, etc.

I apologize if I caused any further confusion.



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